NFL Draft 2007

les browns visent peut-etre pas le meme joueur? y a rien de sur à ce niveau-là... sans parler du fait qu' il pourrait trader avec qq' un qui s' intérèsserait au joueur qu' on espère.

Et concrètement les Buccs ils viseraient quoi ? Parce que y'a tellement de poste à combler

A mon avis le Top 4 des Bucs doit être à mon avis (dans le désordre):

QB Brady Quinn, WR Calvin Johnson, OT Joe Thomas et un DL (Gaines, Anderson ou Branch)

Sérieux ??!! Vous avez même pas Calvin Johnson en 1 ??

Putain ca veut peut etre dire que le gaillard va arriver jusqu'à nous.

1° - Raiders : JaMarcus Russell
2° - Lions : Joe Thomas
3° - Browns : Adrian Peterson
4° - Buccs : Brady Quinn
5° - Cards : Un DL (Branch - Adams ou Anderson ou Okoye ou Trade Down pour une équipe voulant récup Calvin Johnson)
6° - Redskins !!! Si y a Calvin Johnson on le choppe... sinon DL ou trade down.

Sitting Bull a écrit:

Sérieux ??!! Vous avez même pas Calvin Johnson en 1 ??

Putain ca veut peut etre dire que le gaillard va arriver jusqu'à nous.

1° - Raiders : JaMarcus Russell
2° - Lions : Joe Thomas
3° - Browns : Adrian Peterson
4° - Buccs : Brady Quinn
5° - Cards : Un DL (Branch - Adams ou Anderson ou Okoye ou Trade Down pour une équipe voulant récup Calvin Johnson)
6° - Redskins !!! Si y a Calvin Johnson on le choppe... sinon DL ou trade down.

J'ai dis que c'était dans le désordre les possibilités.

Pour l'instant ce semble plutôt se jouer entre Calvin Johnson et Joe Thomas, mais ne pas écartez Brady Quinn avec Gruden qui adore les QB et qui cherche un autre QB pour concurrencer Simms.
Je pense qu'on ira plutôt sur un DL au 2è tour...

Ah OK

Bon ben Calvin Johnson va chez vous alors...

y a rien de fermer aux dernières nouvelles on viserait plus Joe Thomas et Calvin Johnson vu que niveau DL le niveau est assez proche entre ce qu' on peut trouver au 2ème tour...
les QB sont pas a exclure mais on viserait plus un vétéran via un trade(Carr/Plummer) ou les FA... le trade down aussi est pas a exclure on pourrait grace à ça rebattir la défense!

PS: sauf bléssure ou tests pourris ce week-end Calvin Johnson sortira pas du top 5 et ça m' étonnerait pas que y ait du trade up si il flambe avec un chrono entre 4.3 et 4.4!

La draft et les différents articles que l'on peut lire sont passionnants et parfois très drôles...

Le cas JaMarcus Russell, les scouts sont en extases devant son physique, on n'entend pas une seule fois parler de ses matchs ou de ses exploits sur le terrain...
Malheuresement pour Troy Smith qui ne mesure que 6 pieds, il doit prouver son talent alors qu'il est quand même Heismann (sans être un QB qui court). Combien d'équipes seraient aujourd'hui génées par la taille de Drew Brees (la même que celle de Troy Smith)?

Le cas Calvin Johnson m'intrigue aussi un peu, j'entends seulement parler de sa taille, son poids et son 40 yards. D'après les vidéos que j'ai vu de lui (seulement des highlights), il court peut être en 4.35 mais ne joue pas à cette vitesse. De plus la précision de ses tracés ne m'a pas impressionné... J'attends vraiment de voir ce que fera Johnson en NFL.

Bah moi perso quand j'vois ce qu'on donnait Troy Smith (et dans une moindre mesure Brady Quinn) je me demande bien comment on a pu lui filer un Heisman !! MDR son match face aux Gators...........

Bon là je fais ma langue de vipère vu que je l'avais jamais vu jouer avant, mais bon il aurait pu soigner un peu plus sa prestation pour ce Bowl...
Sinon Brady Quinn et son Bowl face à LSU c'est quasi-similaire... Minable. Bon en même temps Notre Dame est surcôté à ce que j'en ai entendu parler...

En même temps, les matchs NCAA ne sont pas très représentatifs des performances en NFL, rien que par le niveau du jeu, l'encadrement,...

Un gars peut être gagner le Heisman et n'être pas fait pour la NFL...

Au contraire, certains joueurs qui ne font rien d'exceptionnel en NCAA peuvent exploser en NFL.

C'est ça qui fait l'intêret de la draft, il faut arriver à estimer, le niveau actuel du joueur en NFL et quel est son potentiel.

Et le problème, c'est que le niveau NCAA reflète assez mal le niveau que peut avoir un joueur en NFL, tant il y a de différences entre les joueurs dans une même équipe.

Ca peut aller du joueur qui peut faire le Hall Of Fame, jusqu'au gars qui serait même pas pris en 1ère division française.

Quand on voit les Bush, Peterson s'amuser en passant tous les défenseurs adverses, c'est que les 3/4 d'entre eux n'ont pas le niveau de la NFL, donc ca donne de super résultat en NCAA, mais quand il passe de Trucmuche, qui finira fermier, à Brian Urlacher, et ben ca change tout.

2002:

Top 5 QB rating:
1. Ryan Dinwiddie, Boise St
2. Brad Banks, Iowa
3. Byron Leftwich, Marshall
4. Brian Jones, Toledo
5. Ryan Schneider, C Florida

6. Carson Palmer
14. Chris Simms
16. Philip Rivers
20. Ben Roethlisberger
50. Eli Manning
65. Rex Grossman
69. J.P Losman
91. Jay Cutler

2003:
1. Philip Rivers, NC State
2. Stan Hill, Marshall
3. Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (OH)
4. Matt Leinart, USC
5. Ryan Dinwiddie, Boise St

15. Alex Smith
18. Charlie Frye
20. Eli Manning
34. J.P Losman
45. Jason Campbell
59. Jay Cutler
60. Andrew Walter
(114. Brady Quinn)

2004:
1. Stefan LeFors, Louisville
2. Alex Smith, Utah
3. Jason Campbell, Auburn
4. Omar Jacobs, BGU
5. Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo

7. Matt Leinart
20. Charlie Frye
22. Andrew Walter
37. Jay Cutler
54. Vince Young


2005:
1. Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St
2. Brian Brohm, Louisville
3. Vince Young, Texas
4. Troy Smith, Ohio St
5. Drew Olson, UCLA

(7. Brady Quinn)
8. Matt Leinart
(36. Jamarcus Russell)
62. Jay Cutler

2006:
1. Colt Brennan, Hawaii
2. John Beck, BYU
3. JaMarcus Russell, LSU
4. Troy Smith, Ohio St
5. Colt McCoy, Texas

(14. Brady Quinn)


Je regardais le classement des QB sur les 5 dernières années, QB Ryan Dinwiddie a fini 2 fois de suite dans le top 5 sans jamais percer en NFL

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Okoye Coming of Age
Monday, February 26, 2007

By Nick Wagoner
Senior Writer

INDIANAPOLIS – Most kids get in trouble for skipping even one day of class. Try skipping a year.

Impossible, you say? Well, Amobi Okoye is living proof that it can be done. And now that
Louisville’s stud defensive tackle is well on his way to NFL riches, nobody is mad at him for jumping over sixth grade. Actually, Okoye skipped sixth grade twice.

Okoye arrived at the NFL Combine Saturday as a 19-year old with a reputation as one of the two best defensive tackles available in the draft. He is a surefire first-round choice and seems to be climbing everyone’s board with his combination of freakish strength and size, speed, intelligence and an upside that is almost too good to be true.

“He's going to be a great football player (in the NFL),” former Louisville and current Falcons
coach Bobby Petrino said. “The thing that has intrigued everybody is you're going to bring a guy to camp who normally would be a redshirt freshman or sophomore in college. The ceiling for him is 'way out there.”

In fact, nobody was ever mad at Okoye for his academic prowess. See, Okoye didn’t make a conscious decision to skip a year. But when his family moved from Anambra, Nigeria to Huntsville, Ala., whenhe was 12, Okoye was asked to take an aptitude test that would place him in school.

Okoye was fresh out of the Nigerian equivalent of eighth grade. In Nigeria, he had done well enough to skip past the sixth grade so it stood to reason that he could be bumped back when he arrived in the United States in 1999. School officials attempted to place Okoye in eighth grade when he
arrived in the United States. But Okoye argued that he had done well enough academically to jump past it.

After some haggling, Okoye was able to convince the Huntsville school district to put him in eighth grade for two weeks with a condition. The agreement stated that he would be judged based on his
performance and if he did well enough, he’d get to move up.

“After the first week (the principal) put me in some classes I already took,” Okoye said. “The reports got back and the teacher told her I had to be moved to upper classes. After that I pretty much stayed in high school.”

It was no surprise that Okoye did so well academically, considering his head start in school.
Okoye’s mother, Edna, was a school principal in Anambra and when she couldn’t find adequate day care for young Amobi, she began taking him to school. He was 2 ½ years old.

There, Okoye wasn’t exactly in class.Rather, he would mingle with other kids and began picking things up along the way. He doesn’t remember what all he learned at such a young age, but he knows he began picking things up quickly. He was so advanced that he could have been even an extra year younger than his classmates, but Edna decided that he should be held back a year from first grade.

Okoye does remember being bigger than his classmates, though and learning an important lesson
about not being a bully.

“One of my classmates had a Capri Sun (fruit drink),” Okoye said. “I asked him for it and he
gave it to me. I don't know if I took it, I've always been bigger than everybody else in my class. I got a pretty good whupping for that.”

Even after entering high school at 12, Okoye said he never really felt out of place. If it wasn’t enough that he was in a new country, being the youngest person in high school in Alabama would seem
to be a tall order.

“I never really felt younger than everybody else,” Okoye said. “I always felt I was in the right grade, right place. It's always how I carry myself, a credit to my parents, I guess, and my family they did a real good job bringing me up. Hopefully I can do just as good a job as they've done.”

Okoye played soccer and ran in Nigeria and when he arrived in the United States had little knowledge of American football. Although Okoye was younger than his classmates, he was as big as or bigger than most of them.

One day, the football coach, doubling as a substitute teacher in Okoye’s homeroom class noticed the big youngster and told him about football. Okoye joined the team and began to learn the game through sheer observation and a little help from the PlayStation video game console.

As a sophomore, he started one game on the varsity and showed the raw and explosive skills that
would soon begin to develop at a rapid rate.

Okoye continued to learn his craft. He attended football camps all over, including the one at
the University of Louisville. There, Okoye first encountered Rams coach Scott Linehan.

Linehan was the offensive coordinator for the Cardinals and didn’t have much recollection of
Okoye, but said Okoye remembered him.

“I think he’s real impressive,” Linehan said. “He’s impressive as a player, but he sure
doesn’t come across as a 19-year old. I told him I didn’t remember him. I probably spent a lot more time with the quarterbacks that week. I wasn’t looking at the 12-year old defensive lineman.”

Not many people are on the lookout for 12-year old defensive tackles. But that certainly began to change as Okoye got more and more experience. The football came natural to Okoye; it was dealing with the age difference between him and his classmates that would seem to be an issue.

For instance, Okoye wasn’t eligible to begin driving until he was a senior, so he had to be
toted around town by his friends. Dating would seem to be an issue too as he was forced to ask out girls a year or two older than him.

But the well-adjusted Okoye took it all in stride.

“It wasn’t that bad,” Okoye said. “I did all right. I think I did good.”

Okoye did so well on and off the field that the scholarship offers started to roll in. Athletically or academically, Okoye had ability that would make anyone jealous. Eventually, it came down to
Harvard for academics or Louisville for football.

Okoye went where he could do a bit of both, opting for the Cardinals because they had a
solid combination of top-level football and strong academics.

“We were recruiting him when he was 15,” Petrino said. “When he got on campus, I always told
everybody he's not going to play until he starts shaving.”

Petrino wasn’t overly serious, though, as Okoye found himself on the field as a true freshman.
It didn’t take long for Okoye to prove he was mature beyond his years both on and off the field.

“After about two days of practice, he was second on the depth chart and ready to play college
football, which was quite amazing to me,” Petrino said. “We had a lot of discussions whether we should play him as a true freshman, or redshirt him, physically, was he ready to go, mentally was he ready to go?

“And the answers kept coming from all of the staff, yes, he's ready to play. When he played in his first college football game, he was 16, against the University of Kentucky. He played very well, he had a great freshman year, and then he continued to get better and better.”

Okoye continued to excel on the field and off. In three and a half years at Louisville, Okoye strung together a lifetime of accomplishments. He earned a degree in psychology and was All Big East Conference and second team AP All American after posting 55 tackles and eight sacks as a senior.

Now, Okoye finds himself in Indianapolis going through the NFL’s version of a meat market combined with speed dating. Here, he will talk to just about every team in a series of short interviews and go through the entire work out process.

Most NFL scouts and experts project Okoye to be a top 10-15 pick. Locally, the Rams will certainly have interest in him, but it depends on which position he projects to. Many believe Okoye is more of a three-technique in the NFL, but the unknown is just how big he will grow. At 19, Okoye could easily add another couple of inches and another 20 or 30 pounds.

At 6’2, 302 pounds, Okoye is solid as a rock. Adding to his impressive physical prowess is a maturity beyond his years and an intelligence that will one day take him to Harvard to pursue graduate school work.

And Okoye is not afraid of going against men twice his age.

“I'm looking forward to it,” Okoye said. “It's kind of like when I was going to high school, I was 15 and I got criticism I was going to go play people who were 23 or 24. It's a challenge and I've always had
challenges in life. It's one of the challenges I'm looking forward to.”

For now, Okoye is growing accustomed to not having class and adjusting on a daily basis to occupying himself with the football as a job concept.

“When I was training there was a point in time where for some reason I was thinking I had homework or something to do,” Okoye said. “I said, 'What are you thinking about? You're done with school.' I try to keep myself busy reading things.”

Many are touting Okoye as the anti-Maurice Clarett. Clarett, of course, came to Indianapolis at
about the same age after a series of poor decisions, ran a horrible 40-yard dash and was drafted in the third round by Denver. He was out of the league before getting a chance to suit up for a regular season game.


Sometime soon, Okoye will become a 19-year old millionaire. That’s a lot of responsibility for
someone so young. But there’s no doubting that Okoye will handle that with the same mature approach he has taken to the rest of his life.

While many players who leave college early for the NFL are ill-prepared either physically or
mentally, Okoye is ready to get on with the next phase and put an end to all of the questions about Okoye the teenager and begin focusing on Okoye the man.

“It got to a point where I got tired of everybody asking,” Okoye said. “I've come to realize it is my
story. It's my life.”

Pour ceux qui s'intéressaient à Okoye le jeune DT de Louisville, il y a cet article sur le site des Rams.

NFL.com commence à faire quelques vidéos de présentations des rookies, il y a déjà Calvin Johnson et Adrian Peterson

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Redskins | Team to visit with Okoye
Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:46:25 -0800

John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports the Washington Redskins have scheduled a private visit with Louisville DT Amobi Okoye, according to league sources.

présentation sur un site:

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Okoye is a 19-year-old rising talent with a good amount of upside. He is still developing into his body, he's never going to be an explosive interior penetrator and his pass-rush moves need polishing. However, Okoye displays an impressive blend of size, initial quickness, balance and natural power that could lead to a long career as a disruptive NFL defensive tackle. Okoye has skyrocketed up NFL draft boards as a senior. His play reflects more of a second-to-third round grade but his age/upside most likely will land him a spot in the first round.

Iroquois a écrit:

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Redskins | Team to visit with Okoye
Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:46:25 -0800

John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports the Washington Redskins have scheduled a private visit with Louisville DT Amobi Okoye, according to league sources.

présentation sur un site:

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Okoye is a 19-year-old rising talent with a good amount of upside. He is still developing into his body, he's never going to be an explosive interior penetrator and his pass-rush moves need polishing. However, Okoye displays an impressive blend of size, initial quickness, balance and natural power that could lead to a long career as a disruptive NFL defensive tackle. Okoye has skyrocketed up NFL draft boards as a senior. His play reflects more of a second-to-third round grade but his age/upside most likely will land him a spot in the first round.

et j' suis totalement daccord avec ça, il a le niveau d' un 2ème tour et son age demande confirmation, il est né au Nigeria pas aux States donc j' espère que mes Bucs auront eu la bonne idée de réclamer un test pour savoir si il a bien 19 ans et non 2-3 de +!

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Jamaal Anderson (284 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.75 and 4.80. He also had a 9-foot-8 long jump, 32½-inch vertical jump, 4.22 short shuttle, 6.88 three-cone drill and 22 bench presses.

Bref rien de bien impressionant...

Voici un site qui a recoupé les info concernant la draft pour répertorier par équipe, les joueurs à qui elles ont montré un certain intérêt:
http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=33&a=103

Yes, bon site Iroquois, merci.

Pro day à LSU
Vidéo de Jamarcus Russel en prime

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2798856

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Other notable measurements for Russell were his arm length of 34½ inches -- "Left tackle size," McShay said -- and his hand size of 9½ inches -- "Big, but not the biggest," McShay said. "Just above the average for a quarterback."

Mais qu'est ce qu'on s'en branle de ce genre de mesure, ça ne sert à rien !

Urlacher a écrit:

Pro day à LSU
Vidéo de Jamarcus Russel en prime

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2798856

Très intéressant ce site. Si leurs infos sont fiables, c'est déjà un bon moyen de repérer les postes qui intéressent prioritairement chaque équipe.

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WOULD MOSS TRADE OPEN DOOR FOR JOHNSON?

If, as now seems likely, the Oakland Raiders ship receiver Randy Moss to Green Bay in exchange for quarterback Aaron Rodgers, we believe that Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson would become Oakland's primary target with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

Johnson is, in our opinion, a can't-miss prospect with a combination of size and speed and hands and, uncharacteristically at the receiver position, not a hint of a bad attitude.

So while it's a 50-50 proposition at best when burning a top-five pick on a potential franchise quarterback, Johnson's chances of becoming a long-term contributor are much greater, we believe.

And there's a wrinkle to all of this that we find very intriguing. Packers quarterback Brett Favre is pushing the team to acquire Moss. If Moss goes, the door is open for Johnson to be taken with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

Favre is represented by Bus Cook. Cook also is involved in the representation of Moss, and the Moss transaction depends in large part on Moss and his agents working out a restructured contract with the Packers.

So if that gets done, then Johnson is poised to be the first guy off of the board.

His agent? Bus Cook.

We're not suggesting that Cook is trying to engineer the Moss trade so that Johnson will have a better shot at being the first overall pick. But the possibility of one client being the No. 1 selection in 2007 surely has at least entered the mind of the guy who surely has some influence over the extent to which Moss will be willing to accept the Packers' terms.

PFT

ah le facteur X du draft... les agents une belle bande de requins!

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Quinn shuttled 20 yards in 4.22, .36 seconds faster than Marshawn Lynch

Une fois de plus on voit que les combines ne montrent pas grand chose, quand on voit jouer Marshawn Lynch il est beaucoup plus "ankle breaker" que Brady Quinn. C'est pour ça que Calvin Johnson n'est pas pour moi un joueur qui me fait rêver, c'est un bon joueur mais il a surtout des mensurations et des stats aux combines de fou qui font baver les scouts. Quand je vois Dwayne Jarrett qui chute dans la draft à cause de son temps au 40 yds ou son manque d'explosivité, il a quand même prouvé qu'il était productif et dans une attaque de "pros". Calvin Johnson ne sera pas le meilleur WR de la draft du moins à long terme.

J'ai fait mon analyse on verra si je pourrais comme certains analystes dire "je vous l'avait dis" (bon c'est vrai ils sont très rares à pouvoir le dire tant les infos sont parfois moches...)

j' suis daccord sur le fait que les 40 yards sont surfait mais le fait de comparer les 10-20-40y normal + les shuttle et les 3 cone, ça te permet de te faire une idée sur les possibilités et les facilités de course ou tracé d' un gars, mais comme ça prend pas en compte la réactivité, la lecture de l' adversaire ou les contacts ça ne doit pas servir de certitude...
perso pour un RB faut aussi regarder le shuttle, un RB court rarement tout droit!

Calvin Johnson est pas forcément surcoté, c' est quand meme le total package...
le top en performance au niveau NCAA, le top au combine, le top en mensuration(ajoutes ça au broad jump ça te fait une arme de 1er ordre dans la red zone), le top en mentalité... ça fait quand meme beaucoup de point positif pour dire qu' il mérite cette pub...
par contre je trouve qu' un receveur en 1er ou 2ème choix de draft ça c' est abusé par rapport à l' apport réel ou au cout du contrat, on parle de maxi 15 réelles actions par match et un Deion Branch a eu un contrat moitié moin que se que pourrait toucher CJ!
perso je vois quand meme CJ dans la catégorie des André Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald et autre Roy Williams!


quand à Jarrett, on peut toujours mettre en doute sa capacité a gagné en séparation au niveau NFL vu son chrono mais ça veut pas dire qu' il sera mauvais non plus, un Keyshawn Johnson te placait du 1000 yards par saison alors qu' il faisait du 4.6 au 40 yards... par contre désolé mais il peut pas etre mis dans la catégorie d' un CJ entre son manque de vitesse et sa mentalité!

Torry Holt a écrit:

Calvin Johnson ne sera pas le meilleur WR de la draft du moins à long terme.

Arrete de fumer Torry... t'as pété un cable total là.

CJ était déja ET DE LOIN le meilleur WR de la draft avant les combines... le reste n'a fait que renforcer son statut.

Et perso je vois CJ dans la catégorie AU DESSUS des André Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald et autre Roy Williams.

Dans 3 saisons il est dans le TOP 3 WR NFL sans soucis...
Jcrois bien que vous avez pas bien compris à qui vous avez à faire... gardez ce topic sous la main on en reparle dès la saison prochaine (et même s'il tombe dans une équipe de merde avec un QB de merde).

Sitting Bull a écrit:

Torry Holt a écrit:

Calvin Johnson ne sera pas le meilleur WR de la draft du moins à long terme.

Et perso je vois CJ dans la catégorie AU DESSUS des André Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald et autre Roy Williams.

... surtout quand on est fan des Bengals et que dès qu'on lit "CJ", on pense à Chad Johnson.