[Finally a winning streak!] SF 49ers news/2005 edition

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Niners to trade linebacker Winborn to Jacksonville

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

The San Francisco 49ers on Thursday agreed to a trade that will send former starting linebacker Jamie Winborn, estranged from the team for the past week, to the Jacksonville Jaguars, ESPN.com confirmed.

The deal is contingent upon Winborn, 26, passing a physical examination. The fifth-year veteran arrived in Jacksonville late Thursday night and the physical will be administered on Friday morning. Terms of the trade were not yet available, but it is believed the 49ers will receive a 2006 draft choice.

"It's exciting," Winborn said when reached on his cell phone. "It's a new start for me."

If the trade is completed -- and, while Winborn has suffered injury problems in the past, he is expected to pass the examination -- it will end a strange chapter in the career of the former Vanderbilt star.

Winborn has suffered a series of injuries that slowed his advancement at times. The most serious was a neck injury in 2003. There have also been knee and shoulder injuries. It is likely that the neck injury will receive the most scrutiny from Jacksonville team doctors.

San Francisco first-year head coach Mike Nolan last week told Winborn to clean out his locker and leave the team, and then announced that the 49ers would attempt to trade him. The decision came after Winborn, who started the first two games of the season, was demoted in favor of Andre Carter, a one-time first-round defensive end who was moved to linebacker in Nolan's new 3-4 alignment.

Nolan acknowledged that, while Winborn told him he did not feel he was a backup, there was no verbal confrontation. Neither did Winborn, both Nolan and the player said, ask to be traded. Apparently the decision to deal Winborn was made by Nolan because he felt it would be in the best interest of both parties.

Late last week, Nolan said there were four teams that had indicated interest in a trade but Jacksonville, at least at the time, was not believed to be one of those franchises. One of the teams that pursued a deal is Seattle, and it is believed that New Orleans also showed some interest.

A second-round choice in the 2001 draft, Winborn has appeared in 43 games, mostly as a weakside linebacker in a 4-3 defense. He has 258 tackles, 8½ sacks, three interceptions, four forced fumbles, three recoveries and 16 passes defensed. A versatile defender, he had his best season in 2004, registering 104 tackles and 4½ sacks. In his three games in 2005, Winborn had 13 tackles.

While it is believed that some adjustments were made to his contract to accommodate the trade, Winborn, who was paid by the 49ers even during his absence from the team, will earn the full $1.75 million he is due for this season. Under terms of the contract, Winborn is signed through 2009, at base salaries of $3 million for each of the next four years.

That is only a formality, though, since Winborn has already reached performance levels that allow him to void the final four years of the contract and to become an unrestricted free agent next spring.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

Jamiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiee..... Au moins, il va dans une équipe que j'aime bien, c'est toujours ça. Bonne chance en Floride et pète-leur la gueule un par un.
J'espère qu'on va récupérer au moins un 2è tour.

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... Banged-up secondary

A week ago, cornerback Bruce Thornton was on the 49ers' practice squad. Sunday, he could line up opposite Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Marvin Harrison as the team's starting left cornerback.

Such is the state of the 49ers' battered secondary.

``There's no good time, but there are worse times than others and this is not a good time,'' said Nolan, whose team takes on a dangerous Colts offense that centers on Peyton Manning and Harrison. The Colts' duo is one touchdown pass away from eclipsing Steve Young and Jerry Rice (85) as the most prolific quarterback-wide receiver tandem in NFL history.

``I'm not taking anything away from Peyton Manning and the great players on the Colts team, but all I can do is worry about myself. That's how I try to handle it,'' said Thornton, who played on special teams last week against Arizona after being promoted from the practice squad the day before.

Thornton played in one game for Dallas last October but suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his knee, missing the rest of the year. He was released by the Cowboys shortly before the opener and joined the 49ers practice squad last month.

Rookie Derrick Johnson, who returned a fumble 78 yards for a touchdown while starting in place of injured Ahmed Plummer, suffered a thigh injury in the Arizona game and is not expected to play against the Colts.

Johnson's backup, Willie Middlebrooks, suffered a groin strain and was listed as questionable after missing his second day of practice in a row.

If Middlebrooks can't go, Nolan must decide whether to start Thornton at left cornerback or return free safety Mike Adams to cornerback and have Keith Lewis fill in for him at safety.

Beasley's hurting

Fullback Fred Beasley was unable to practice because of a sore left ankle.

After practice, he left the team's facility to have an MRI exam to try to determine the severity of the injury. Beasley said he has had the ankle problem since last year and aggravated the injury in practice earlier this week.

``It's just been bothering me throughout the weeks and it got to a point where I just kind of aggravated it so I want to get it checked out,'' Beasley said.

• Linebacker Julian Peterson (hamstring) remains questionable after missing his second consecutive day of practice. Brandon Moore and Saleem Rasheed would share time at outside linebacker if Peterson can't play.

• Wide receiver Johnnie Morton could make his second start in a row in place of Arnaz Battle, who has been unable to practice because of continuing knee soreness.

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Moi qui pensais que la saison 2004 était terminée.

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49ers | Winborn Trade Update
Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:03:11 -0700

Bart Hubbuch, of the Florida Times-Union, reports the San Francisco 49ers received a seventh-round draft pick from the Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for LB Jamie Winborn. The 49ers agreed to pay most of Winborn's $1.75 million salary for the 2005 season.

Un 7è tour pour Winborn! On croit rêver.
Faut que la ligue interdise aux Niners de faire des trades, ça devient trop facile pour les autres parties.
On peut pas mettre un véto comme en pololie fantasy?


Je commence à me demander si c'était vraiment Erickson le problème...

un 7eme tour !

le journaliste doit se fait mousser ! (peu probable mais j'espere)

surtout que dans une autre interview, Nolan dit que Winborn sera tres surement titulaire chez les jags

alors un 7e tour pour un titulaire


quand à la rumeur sur le trade de rattay :
"Nolan did not deny Rattay could be dealt before the NFL trade deadline, but he said he is not going to just give away his backup quarterback. At least two teams have called about acquiring Rattay since Nolan announced rookie Alex Smith would take over as the starter.
But, Nolan said, "There've been no serious talks.""

alors à moins de jouer les il va rester cette saison

Daniel2d a écrit:

quand à la rumeur sur le trade de rattay :
"Nolan did not deny Rattay could be dealt before the NFL trade deadline, but he said he is not going to just give away his backup quarterback. At least two teams have called about acquiring Rattay since Nolan announced rookie Alex Smith would take over as the starter.
But, Nolan said, "There've been no serious talks.""

alors à moins de jouer les il va rester cette saison

On peut s'attendre à un autre 7è tour ou un 6è au mieux. youpi!
Et vu la 1ère mi-temps de Smith, mieux vaudrait garder Rattay sous le coude encore un peu...

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        CP/AT YDS TD INT FUM LST
A. Smith  9/23  74  0  4  2  1

C'est ce qu'on appelle un bon bizutage à l'ancienne! Manquait que la bite au cirage...

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Ulbrich plays through pain

HE MUST DECIDE ON SURGERY THAT COULD END HIS YEAR

By Dennis Georgatos and Daniel Brown
Mercury News

Jeff Ulbrich, one of the 49ers' steadiest defenders, suffered a torn left biceps Sunday and must decide whether to undergo season-ending surgery or keep playing and risk the possibility of permanent damage.

The linebacker's arm snapped back as he tackled Colts running back Edgerrin James during the second quarter. The force of the collision tore the muscle from the bone, Ulbrich said, though he resumed playing and finished with a team-high 10 tackles in a 28-3 loss.

"He's in a lot of pain,'' fellow linebacker Derek Smith said. "But he's going to play with pain and that's just a testament to what kind of guy he is. He's able to go out there and play with an injury and still be competitive.''

Ulbrich said he will meet with team doctors today to discuss his options.

He said he has been told that surgery to reattach the muscle would sideline him for the rest of the season. Doctors also told him that the injury could worsen if he tried to keep playing.

"If I play with it, they might not be able to fix it,'' Ulbrich said.

Ulbrich said he is tempted to keep playing, despite the cautionary words from doctors.

"I really think we're going to do something special here,'' he said. "I don't want to be on the sideline watching it when it happens.''

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Et Julian Peterson n'est pas au mieux non plus. Mais c'est pas grave, on a toujours Winborn au cas où... ah bah non.
Au fait, joe, qu'est-ce que tu disais à propos de notre trop-plein de LBs?

oui bah on avait un trop plein! c'est plus vraiment le cas. Et puis je suis . Winborn est un des mes joueurs favoris. Si le trade s'est fait contre un 7° tour, je piges plus rien au coaching de Nolan !!
En tout je suis dégoutté. Les semaines se suivent et malheureusement se ressemblent.
Encore une fois, l'attaque a été inexistante.
Smith s'est fait méchamment bizuté, comme tu dis.

et les blessures s'accumulent. c'est du délire à la fin !!
Si on perd Ulbrich en plus................

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Niners bump up game plan for stadium development

Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross
Sunday, October 9, 2005

After years of having their proposed mega-stadium-mall languish in developmental limbo, the San Francisco 49ers are contemplating something much bigger -- an entire Niner Town out at the 'Stick, complete with housing, storefronts and even a hotel.

Niners representatives confirmed that they are looking for a "master developer'' with national credentials to help shape the plan and make it happen.

And while nobody is offering much in the way of details, 49ers spokesman Sam Singer gave us a couple of the bold strokes: a stadium and large mall, and mixed-use development that would include residential housing -- both market-rate and affordable units -- as well as apartments.

"All the mayor's and Supervisor Chris Daly's initiatives would be wrapped into the housing plan they are looking at," Singer said.

In other words, a little something for everyone -- including San Francisco's left wing.

Pressure to ease the city's housing crunch is already bringing a wave of development to the once-forsaken part of town -- particularly at Executive Park, at the entrance to Candlestick from Highway 101, where hundreds of units have been built or are on the drawing board.

If the 49ers do pursue their new-neighborhood plan, it would be a significant shift in strategy from the stadium-mall plan hatched under former owner Eddie DeBartolo, for which city voters narrowly approved a $100 million bond in 1997.

That plan has turned out to be a lot more complicated and costly than its backers ever predicted. Questions about the expense of shoring up the flood-prone landfill at Candlestick, the site's proximity to a state park, skepticism about the viability of a mall attached to a stadium that is used only 10 days a year or so -- all have worked against the idea.

Plus, there's the headache of getting in and out of the area, as anyone who has ever attended a game at Candlestick knows.

So after years of studies and false starts -- and under pressure from Mayor Gavin Newsom to get something done before he faces re-election in 2007 -- team owners Denise DeBartolo York and husband John York assembled a new development team of bankers, lawyers and other experts in recent months to reignite the project.

The first sign that something was afoot came last month when the Niners quietly opted not to renew their exclusive development agreement with Mills Corp. -- the team's sole development partner since the stadium-mall bond campaign eight years ago.

Sources following the deal said the Niners and Mills had been at odds over how revenue from the mall portion of the project would be divided. At the same time, however, they didn't rule out Mills coming back into the picture -- and future meetings are planned.

In the meantime, the 49ers are also talking to the likes of Lennar Corp., developer of the old Hunters Point Naval Shipyard, and Forest City Development, builder of the downtown Bloomingdale's.

As for the time line for a new deal getting done? That remains as elusive as ever.

"We share the mayor's sense of urgency and want to get this done as quickly as possible,'' Singer said. "But it's a very complex process."

Enfin, ça a l'air de bouger un peu au niveau du stade. Mais pas de quoi s'enthousiasmer pour si peu tout de suite, cette "annonce" aurait dû être faite pendant la offseason.
De plus, ça fait tellement longtemps qu'on nous balade avec ce projet de nouveau stade qu'on va attendre que les choses avancent vraiment...

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First start had some positives for Smith
Biggest plus was his role in calling the correct running plays

Tuesday, October 11, 2005
By MATT MAIOCCO
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

SANTA CLARA - It may not be the skill set the 49ers coveted when making him the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, but rookie quarterback Alex Smith showed Sunday he can do a good job of handing off.

Thus, Smith does not look at his NFL starting debut Sunday as a complete waste. The 49ers' top overall pick emerged from his film session Monday feeling as if his overall performance in his starting debut was a little more encouraging than he had originally feared.

"Things didn't go as planned," Smith said. "I learned a lot. It wasn't all bad. I need to take everything from it I can or it would be for nothing.

"There's a long road ahead of me. The bumps in the road now are going to make me a better quarterback down the line."

There were plenty of bumps on Sunday in the 49ers' 28-3 loss to the unbeaten Indianapolis Colts. Smith completed just nine of 23 passing attempts for 74 yards with four interceptions, one lost fumble and five sacks.

When asked what he did best on Sunday, Smith spoke of his role in the run game. Often, the 49ers will call two plays in the huddle and the responsibility falls on the quarterback to choose the more advantageous play at the line of scrimmage. Thanks partly to Smith's decisions after breaking the huddle, Kevan Barlow rushed for a season-high 99 yards on 18 carries.

"That's something I take a lot of pride in, getting us into the right play," Smith said.

Afterward, Indianapolis coach Tony Dungy gave Smith some words of encouragement. Dungy told Smith that he was a Pittsburgh assistant when future Hall of Famer John Elway made his NFL debut against the Steelers.

"He said I looked a lot better than John Elway did in his first start," Smith said.

Smith, 21, has tried to be realistic since becoming the top overall draft pick. Still, he said he expects better results than the awful 8.5 passer rating in his NFL starting debut.

"I know I can play better than that. I don't think it's bad to be frustrated or disappointed because I know it's a good thing. I know I can play here," he said.

Niners coach Mike Nolan, who insisted his team can win the NFC West this season, said he will stick with Smith for the rest of the season. The only thing that can get Smith out of the lineup is injury, he said.

"I'd like to see him improve each week," Nolan said, "but it would be dreaming for me to think he's not going to have a bad day as we go forward."

Le point positif de sa journée? Avoir pu choisir entre un jeu de passe et un jeu de course en sortant du huddle. Youpi! T'as merdé, t'as merdé c'est tout. Contre une équipe des Colts qui a joué avec un bras dans le dos et sans transpirer, en plus. M'enfin bon, maintenant que Nolan l'a mis là, on va le soutenir, hein. Passer d'un QB à l'autre match après match aurait encore moins de sens que de trader Winborn pour un 7è tour (p***in, j'arrive toujours pas à le croire )

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Linebacker Jeff Ulbrich said he had not decided whether to have season-ending surgery to reattach the biceps muscle in his left arm. If he does not have the surgery, he risks having only 50 percent strength in his arm for the rest of his life, he said. He said his wife is encouraging him to have the surgery. Apparently, his coach thinks he should have the surgery, too.

"He'll be a 49er for a long time," Nolan said. "I know what Jeff wants to do in the worst way, but you have to be smart."

The 49ers claimed rookie safety Jeremy Thornburg (Northern Arizona) off waivers from the Philadelphia Eagles. The team waived cornerback B.J. Tucker to make room on the active roster.

Nolan said right tackle Kwame Harris played well Sunday despite getting beaten for at least two sacks. "Kwame's growing all the time," Nolan said. "It's too bad he hasn't been there (right tackle) for three years because he'd be further along. It's sort of like a rookie starting again."

Cornerback Bruce Thornton impressed Nolan with his play on Colts receiver Marvin Harrison. Thornton shadowed Harrison most of the day and allowed just two catches for 17 yards.

"(Harrison) made two and three moves a couple times with Bruce and I'll-be-doggone, Bruce stayed right with him on the moves," Nolan said. "He got him turned around a couple times, but when he sped out of the turn, (Thornton) was right where he needed to be."

Fais pas le con, Jeff! Passe sur le billard avant qu'il ne soit trop tard. Cette saison est déjà foutue, de toute façon.

Double C a écrit:

Le point positif de sa journée? Avoir pu choisir entre un jeu de passe et un jeu de course en sortant du huddle. Youpi! T'as merdé, t'as merdé c'est tout. Contre une équipe des Colts qui a joué avec un bras dans le dos et sans transpirer, en plus. M'enfin bon, maintenant que Nolan l'a mis là, on va le soutenir, hein. Passer d'un QB à l'autre match après match aurait encore moins de sens que de trader Winborn pour un 7è tour (p***in, j'arrive toujours pas à le croire )

"Yeah Go 49 ers..."

Vous êtes mal embarqué avec ce type aux commandes... jpréfère encore K.Orton.

bon, bah, ça y est, c'est fait:
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS_Placed LB Jeff Ulbrich on injured reserve.
et dire qu'on a trader Winborn contre un...non, j'arrive pas à le dire!! AAARRRGGGHHH ..... 7° tour de draft
Nolan se dirige tout droit vers l'appellation 2

t'as raison 2C, 2004 n'est pas fini

bon bah je vous laisse je vais me mettre une balle.............

pour vous faire entrevoir la lumiere

"Afterward, Colts coach Tony Dungy went out of his way to give Smith some words of encouragement. Dungy told Smith that he was a Pittsburgh assistant when future Hall of Famer John Elway made his NFL debut against the Steelers in 1983.

"He said I looked a lot better than John Elway did in his first start," Smith said. "

alors attendons (pas cette saison à mon avis )...

Bah... j'ai vu le premier QT du match face aux colts hier soir et je dois bien admettre que Smith n'était pas si ridicule. Précis sur les passes courtes (encore heureux), il avait l'air assez en confiance, tentant une passe longue sur 3rd down sur Morton bien entouré (un poil trop haute mais pas inattrapable). J'ai pas encore vu la suite mais on la connait.

Bon je viens de voir le match contre les Colts.

Alex Smith s'en tire pas mal :
- avec l'experience il va arreter les passes au petit bonheur la chance
- avec une meilleur ligne offensive, fini les bites au cirage

en revanche la defense contre la passe... comment dire...

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on n'a pas perdu ce WE
hein? quoi? on jouait pas?
désolé, c'est la douleur qui m'égare !!
autant pour moi !!

Putain, même en Bye week, ils arrivent à mettre ce topic en 1ere place...... 17 pages pour une équipe de merde

adauphin a écrit:

Putain, même en Bye week, ils arrivent à mettre ce topic en 1ere place...... 17 pages pour une équipe de merde

C'est l'hopital qui se fout de la charité. Tu peux me rappeler la place des Dolphins dans la dernière draft?

Au passage,

les Dolphins c'est pas l'equipe qui va attendre 20 ans minimum avant de retrouver un QB de la trempe de Marino et qui meme avec lui n'ont pas gagne de superbowl ?

A bon entendeur...

Bon ben voilà, c'est dit, c'est fait, c'est clair !
Rattay tradé, de toute façon saison de merde pour saison de merde, Smith a les clés de la maison. Reste à prier qu'il se blesse pas, parce que vu la profondeur du roster...Au pire on pourra toujours mettre Rashaun Woods en QB, faut bien qu'il serve à qqchose et ça pourra pas être pire.

Un bemol sur l'indignation suscitée pour le trade de Rattay

"San Francisco coach Mike Nolan initially was reluctant to make the deal, which puts the 49ers’ future even more squarely on the shoulders of Smith, who made five turnovers in his first NFL start on Oct. 9.

But Nolan liked the draft pick, the roster room created by the trade and the chance to exploit the team’s depth at quarterback. Though Nolan refused to disclose the draft pick acquired, he acknowledged it could improve if Rattay reaches certain performance standards."

donc ce sera un 6th round seulement si c'est une crepe !

et encore un 6th round c'est une supposition non confirmée (comme pour le 7th de winborn)

Je vois mal Nolan se comporter comme

je crois que le 7 et le 6 sont des planchers et comme je crois au futur de Winborn et Rattay, ce sera surement un meilleur deal pour les 49ers en fin de saison

2008 au superbowl (ça coute rien de le dire)

Une simple remarque, le trade de winborn etait prematuré...

Rasheed est out pour 5 weeks

pour Winborn, je suis d'accord: un 7° tour c'est n'importe quoi !!
de toute façon, je comprends même pas qu'on l'ait tradé, mais bon!!
pour Rattay, c'est normal. on le sentait de toute façon depuis un moment.
on va pas construire l'équipe sur lui mais sur smith (si il arrete de nous faire 7 turn over par match!!) et puis ça libère une place dans le roster

précison: le 6° tour pour Rattay semble être un conditionnal pick. Donc, en fonction de ses perfs, ça peut être plus.
bon c'est pas gagné puisque pour le moment il est listé en 3rd QB.
mais avec Simms et McCown devant, il a toute ses chances....

Il semblerait même, d'après ce que j'ai lu sur le forum des niners que ce soit la même chose pour Winborn! (espérons le!!)

sinon, autres news:
Rasheed s'est blessé au genou....encore...
qu'est ce qu'on fait encore avec celui là !!
résultat, alors qu'il devait remplacer ulbrich, c'est moore qui va s'y coller.
plus exactement moore prendrait la place de smith et smith celler d'ulbrich.
Alors qu'on avait, sur le papier, un des meilleurs groupes de LB de la ligue, on est à la rue maintenant
Winborn tradé
Ulbrich IR
Rasheed blessé voire IR
Seigert cutté avant le début de la saison, idem pour andrew Williams

he, nolan, viens voir là

Sinon MAxwelle a été signé dans le 53 man roster: c'est la seule possible bonne nouvelle du jour
en ce moemnt pour supporter les niners faut être un peu

joemontana a écrit:

en ce moemnt pour supporter les niners faut être un peu

Moi perso, j'ai dix ans d'entrainement avec les Bengals, je suis plus à 5-6 saisons merdiques près ...!

Enfin, quand je lis que ces mouvement "libèrent des places dans le roster" ou "libèrent du salary cap", je vois surtout des phrases très convenues. Parce que honnêtement, le roster des niners est le moins bouché de toute la ligue, et vu les joueurs qui le hantent (et d'après ce que disait Double), il y a déjà une bonne marge dans le salary cap! C'est pas tout de faire de la place, faut la remplir après. Et des 1er choix de draft, les 49ers n'en ont qu'un par an...