Rams de Saint Louis

minimoi a écrit:

Point noir du match :

La ligne défensive des rams.

rams fan si tu as vu le match tu es le bienvenu pour laisser tes commentaires, notemment sur barron qui joue en 2eme période.

Le seul match de présaison des rams que je vais voir, c'est contre les lions.

Sinon, ce n'est qu'un match de présaison. Meme si on a eu beaucoup de probleme dans ce match, il reste encore 3 semaine de pratique avant le premier match.

bien entendu mais ca peut laisser songeur, surtout qu'en 1ere mi temps la 1ere équipe a étéallignée.

Martz wasn't happy with the Rams' performance.

"We had some missed tackles that resulted in over 100 yards in two plays rushing," Martz said. "This was a very, very good football, an outstanding team, especially offensively. They are probably as good as any team on the league on offense. They exposed us. It's a good wakeup call in a lot of areas.

"We lacked discipline. That's coaching. That's me," Martz said. "We need to get a lot more disciplined in every phase."

Autre commentaire tres instructif vu sur un forum des rams, belle annalyse :
General Defensive observations about the entire game:

D line. For those of you who wonder if it is the scheme or the players, well, it is both. I hate all the line slants Marmie calls and that hurts us more than it helps us (out of position). But, bottom line, Charger OL handled our DL. Stoned or pancaked us, and the Chargers have nowhere near the best OL in football. Our DT's, including our backups, played badly. Handled. I like Hargrove, great kid and energy, but Jackson should start ahead of him, even at his advanced age. Not sure, but I think Green would play as well or better than Hargrove right now. Hargrove in the future though, so he has to play, but Jackson is much better. Right now, and I know its still pre-season, LL and Tyoka are the only two guys we have that can get to the QB with any kind of regularity. In this game, Lewis played like he's played since he's been here, badly. Kennedy did not play well, but picked it up a little toward the end of the 1st half.

Linebackers. Pisa made some plays, but overall was often out of position. Coakley had only one tackle. Very disappointed in Coakley's work in Bear and Charger game. Always liked him. Can still tackle but it looks like his speed is about gone (unless he's uncomfortable with the system. We;ll have to wait and see). CVlaibore, except for th LT play, played well. He's gonna be a big upgrade for us and he's going to have to help with the pass rush. Thomas played well against Chargers 2/3 string. Looks much better outside than inside. Faulk had OK game.

Defensive backs. Groce, after a shaky start, played well. He might be ok, but I still like Ivy better. Ivy made some great tackles with a cast on his right arm. Decent in coverage. Bartell didn't make any big mistakes, but made few plays. Raw, a work in progress. Fair looked ok, made the roster today and won the kickreturn job. Cason is toast. Stone was strong in run support. He looked like our best safety out there today. Don't know why Atogwe didn't play today. I actually think our starting safeties should be Atogwe and Stone, but it's still early. I like Carter's attitude, but he is not much in the pass game and was late or missed tackles. I doubt he will start our first game. Hawthorne strickly a special teames guy. It's between he and Furrey for the 5th DB spot. I'd give it to Furrey. They are close right now, but Furrey is just learning and has better ball skills.

Defense looked falt and uninspired. I think Martz better work em this week (yeah, right). Butler's loss is going to really hurt. I think we are going to be even worse in takeaways on defense this year. Gee, I wish Aneas could give us one more year. Ivy, Fisher, and maybe Atogwe are the only DB's I see getting any turnovers. Our O better not turn the ball over a lot or it could be a long year. I'd still like to see us trade for Ricky Manning, a pretty good ballhawk. How about Manu and Thomas for Manning?

Right now, our biggest problem on defense is DT and DRE; stopping the run and getting pass pressure. Holpefully Pickett will help in run D and Kennedy will progress. I'm not a D Lew fan at all. I'd like to see a lot more of Jackson at DRE.

This was only the 2d preseason game and the third game is what all coaches point toward. Let's see how they look next week before we make any rash judgments about the D. If they look like this next week, then I think our chances for an NFC west title could be in jeopardy. But, again, its ONLY THE PRESEASON.

archuleta revient finalement au poste de SS, vu sa prestation de diamanche cela n'est pas etonnant. sa grosse boulette contreLT qui a couté 1 TD de 55 yard n'a pas du faire bonne impression.

certians ont peut etre pu voirce raté ? il a vraiment chié sur ce coup ?

Carter est pour l'instant son back up mais bon je sens que ca va vite tourner.

au poste de FS du coup le poste de starter reste ouvert.

Ca risque d'être OJ en FS starter non?

Citation :

Michael Hawthorne (right), talking with defensive coordinator Larry Marmie, stands tall in to switch to safety from cornerback.
(Chris Lee/P-D)

Hawthorne finds himself leading the free-safety pack
By Jim Thomas
Of the Post-Dispatch

It's not like Michael Hawthorne played a lot of safety last season in Green Bay.

"It's not like it's a problem, either," Hawthorne countered.

Apparently not. Because four weeks into his first training camp and preseason with the Rams, Hawthorne finds himself starting at free safety. But it's not as if Hawthorne has a death grip on the position.

Coach Mike Martz made it a point Wednesday to say that third- round draft pick Oshiomogho Atogwe and converted wide receiver Mike Furrey remain very much in the mix at free safety.

"Somebody's going to come out of that pack," Martz said. "All three of them, we're very happy with."

But the decision to move Adam Archuleta back to strong safety after the San Diego game makes Hawthorne the next in line at free safety.

At 6 feet 3 and an almost-lanky 204 pounds, Hawthorne certainly has the size to play safety. But he spent most of his five previous NFL seasons playing cornerback. He played a little safety last season in Green Bay, and a little earlier in his career with New Orleans.

But since signing with the Rams as free agent on April 11, he has been a full-time safety. What have been the biggest adjustments to playing safety?

"Nothing," Hawthorne replied.

Piece of cake, huh?

"Piece of pie," Hawthorne corrected.

What kind of pie?

"Sweet potato," Hawthorne replied.

OK, in a few short minutes, Hawthorne established Wednesday that he could play media cat-and-mouse with the best of them. But can he play free safety?

"He's around the ball a great deal," Martz said. "He's always around the ball. Even though he's missed some tackles, we can clean that thing up. He makes a lot of plays. He's got a good break on the ball. He's smart. He gets the calls out."

A year ago in Green Bay, Hawthorne started the first five games at left cornerback in place of Mike McKenzie, who was holding out and subsequently was traded to New Orleans.

Hawthorne was replaced in the starting lineup in Game 6 by rookie - and first-round draft pick - Ahmad Carroll. He spent the rest of the year backing up Darren Sharper at safety during practice, and playing in the Packers' nickel and dime packages as an extra defensive back in games.

Some observers in Green Bay felt Hawthorne lacked the quickness to be an effective NFL corner. But with his size and athleticism, he may be a good fit at safety.

"Some people measure me at 6-3 and change," Hawthorne said. "So I just round it up to 6-4."

Which had to make him one of the NFL's tallest corners ... back when he played corner. But Hawthorne views his height as more help than hindrance.

"For me, it helps because I've learned how to play with this body," he said. "I've learned to grow and embrace what I have. Make it a gift instead of a curse. Playing the ball, it helps. Leverage-wise, it helps."

But it didn't help him stay at Green Bay. He was released by the Packers on March 4, before he was due a $135,000 roster bonus. Five weeks later, he signed a one-year, $630,000 contract with the Rams, in a deal that included a $90,000 signing bonus. In St. Louis, he is reunited with Kurt Schottenheimer, who was his secondary coach last season in Green Bay.

"I wanted to be with Kurt," Hawthorne said. "It's very seldom that you can find coaches that you can trust, believe in, and that believe in you as well. Kurt is one of those guys."

Atogwe might be in a better position to challenge Hawthorne for the job, but he has been slowed on a couple of fronts:

Per NFL rule, he couldn't join the Rams last spring until Stanford's senior class graduated, and that didn't take place until mid-June. As a result, Atogwe missed the Rams' full-squad minicamp and part of the OTAs (organized team activity).

"I don't really feel like it set me back too much, just because I'm able to pick up things pretty quickly," Atogwe said.

On Sunday, he was held out of the San Diego exhibition game because of a groin pull.

"The injury, it's a lot better," said Atogwe, who returned to practice Wednesday. "I think I'm about 80-85 percent right now."

Atogwe suffered the injury in practice last Friday. Prior to then, he was enjoying a good camp and preseason, highlighted by a game-ending interception of a Kurt Kittner "hail Mary" pass against Chicago.

He hasn't given up on the possibility of starting as an NFL rookie - not by a long shot. But he's not obsessed by it either.

"People are getting shuffled around. Spots are opening up," Atogwe said. "I'm in competition with Michael Hawthorne for the spot. But I'm not really focused on starting. I just want to focus on getting better as a player."

As for Furrey, he appears on the verge of pulling of a rare offense-to-defense switch in the NFL. "He just wants to play," Martz said. "And he's going to make himself play one way or the other . ... He's a guy that we can't forget about."

Faulk est un sacré bonhomme. Il se respecte et respecte les autres. Les sportifs avec trop d'égo et pensant trop souvent aux dollars devraient prendre exemple sur lui.


Faulk steps back to keep going
By Larry Weisman, USA TODAY

ST. LOUIS — Every picture tells a story, and sometimes it's a sad one. There is Emmitt Smith, wearing the red jersey of the Arizona Cardinals. Franco Harris squeezing out a few last carries with the Seattle Seahawks. O.J. Simpson, forlorn in a San Francisco 49ers uniform. They forged their reputations in one place and diminished them in another.

There will be no such portrait of Marshall Faulk. He understands the limits of the body, the stresses of the game and the value of an exit strategy. That is why he no longer is starting for the St. Louis Rams yet is prolonging his career in order to end it with the club. At 32, and beginning his 12th NFL season, Faulk will back up Steven Jackson, the Rams' No. 1 pick a year ago. Maybe St. Louis, which plays its third preseason game tonight against the Detroit Lions, would have made this change anyway, but the impetus came from Faulk, who has failed to start in only five of 160 career games with the Rams and the Indianapolis Colts.

"I think that in a sense you just have to be honest with yourself and what you can and can't do and understand what you want to get out of this game and what you want to do," Faulk says. "And I want to win. My personal accomplishments aren't as important to me; winning is. I think the combination of myself and Steven gives us, as a team, a better opportunity to win. With the work that he's going to put in, he deserves to be the starter."

Faulk led the Rams in rushing for a sixth consecutive season in 2004, with a modest 774 yards. It was the third consecutive year he finished below 1,000 and his fewest rushing yards since 1995 with the Colts, when he gained 587. Jackson, playing through a knee injury, showed toughness and an ability to break tackles in rushing for 673 yards and averaging 5.0 yards a carry. Faulk suddenly understood what so many players do not, will not or cannot. So he approached coach Mike Martz to talk about himself and Jackson.

"Marshall said to me privately, 'It's time, I think.' I said, 'Time for what?' And he said, 'He needs to be the featured guy. And whatever role you want me to do, I'd be happy to do it. It's going to be tough, but I think I can really help him and still have some value for this team.' I couldn't believe it," Martz says. "But that's Marshall. So I got to thinking about it more and more, and I said, 'We're going to do this.' "

The 5-10, 211-pound Faulk ranks 12th on the NFL's all-time rushing list with 11,987 yards, leads all running backs in career receiving yardage (6,894), is second among backs in receptions (773) and is tied for fourth in touchdowns with 135. The Rams are 27-0 since 1999 when he rushes for 100 yards in a game.

"A long time ago I made a pact with myself that if you can't do it, you can't do it anymore and you have to leave the game. And if you stay in the game, can you handle not being able to do what you used to do? And I can accept that," Faulk says. "And I also decided that I wanted to be here. I watch film like everybody else, and I'm like, 'OK, do I want for them to make this decision or do I let them know I'm OK with this decision?' And that helps. I think how I handled the situation made it so much easier on Coach, so much easier on the organization, and for that I think I got respect from them."

As if he didn't have it before. But this, the acknowledgement of time and wear and tear and the right thing to do, adds to his résumé.

"I think it says a lot about him being unselfish and seeing the talent in Steven himself," says guard Adam Timmerman, an 11-year veteran. "It's good timing. Last year Steven could be his understudy. This year he's still around and can still show him some things, but I'm sure Marshall is going to get some work this year. This will make him stronger for longer."

Jackson also values the way Faulk went about this, because Faulk remains a part of the offensive package and a mentor, not a vanquished adversary.

"I want to be able to make Marshall a lifetime friend so that when he's done with the game I can always depend on him and lean on him in a time of need," the 6-2, 231-pound Jackson says. "We all know how smart he is about the game of football. But Marshall is a guy who knows a lot about a lot."

Especially himself. And about how hard it can be to let go.

"In my mind and my heart, I feel like I'm the better player," Faulk says. "But I feel like I'm better than anybody who ever played the game, but that's just how it is, that's the only way you can succeed. And in his mind, he (Jackson) feels like he's the better player and the best player who has ever played the position. You have to have that attitude to succeed, but you can't have the ego to the point where you don't understand how him starting and me playing the role helps the team."

Look for him in passing situations. He'll see spot duty at times when his explosiveness will dovetail with Jackson's power. But don't look for him to start. Expect him to find his new role a little strange at first.

"Without a doubt," Faulk says. "It's just weird when you hear the ones called out and I still take that step to go because it's always been like that for me. Now I have to hear formations and personnel that dictate when I'm in the game. But it's fine. It's a process."

Not one many marquee backs specifically ask for at twilight time.

"It's a real nice complementary mix that I don't know could survive anywhere else," Martz says. "It's very unique because Marshall is unique. I'm not sure Steven totally appreciates what's gone on in his behalf there, but one day he will. One day he will. Marshall is a pretty special guy."

J'ai vu des images du match des Rams contre les Lions. Steven Jackson m'a impressionné. Il m'a fait pensé à Ricky Williams (vous vous rappelez? )

minimoi a écrit:

Il se respecte et respecte les autres. Les sportifs avec trop d'égo et pensant trop souvent aux dollars devraient prendre exemple sur lui.

Jackson aussi a excité ma rétine. D'ailleurs, excusez-moi, j'ai quelques rankings à refaire moi...*gloups*

Les Rams se débarassent de Goddspeed, Jeff Smoker, guard Darnell Alford, defensive tackles John Parella and Jeremy Calahan, centers Toby Cecil and Larry Turner, running back Dusty McGrorty, safety Michael Stone, cornerback Kevin Garrett, and wide receivers Jeremy Carter and Dominique Thompson.

Goodspeed cutté ça devrait donc être Madison Hedgecock le choix du 7ième tour de la draft qui sera FB starter.

Les Rams ont échangé Robert Thomas (LB) contre Chris Johnson (CB), je trouve ce choix moyen parceque Thomas aurait apporté un peu de profondeur au corps de LB et aurait été un bon atout en special teams, alors que Johnson n'as quasiment jamais joué à cause de blessure, je comprends pas le choix.
A moins que ce ne soit pour réduire la masse salariale?

Enfin la première victoire de la saison, avec encore un très bon match de Leonard Little, il pourrait bien retrouver son niveau de pro bowler cette saison, mais il est trop tôt pour le dire.

le niveau des rams me fait tres peur cette année.

pour l'instant on perd contre les niners qui on l'a vu se sont fait atomiser par les eagles et on gagne ce match de peu contre une equipe qui s'est fait rouster par les giants.

on ne peut rien en conclure mais on s'apercoit que la def contre la passe est une vrai passoire, exemple du dernier drive ou warner en 2 passes arrive dans la end zone. on s'apercoit que l'offense se crée de beaux jeux mais defaillanteà l'approche de l'en but et tres peu réguliere.

je pense que l'on va avoir bcp de mal cette année, heureusement le calendrier nous est assez favorable dans l'ensemble.

je suis fan mais je trouve cette équipe sans trop de charme depuis qqs années.

une grosse offense qui peut marquer en tres peu de temps mais irréguliere et une defense qui se fait malmener sans esprit de groupe. ne parlons pas de la special team.

disons qu'en voyant des equipes comme les falcons, les eagles ou encore les chiefs on sent autre chose.

Richie Incognito vient de signer un contrat de 4 ans.

minimoi a écrit:

le niveau des rams me fait tres peur cette année.

pour l'instant on perd contre les niners qui on l'a vu se sont fait atomiser par les eagles et on gagne ce match de peu contre une equipe qui s'est fait rouster par les giants.

on ne peut rien en conclure mais on s'apercoit que la def contre la passe est une vrai passoire, exemple du dernier drive ou warner en 2 passes arrive dans la end zone. on s'apercoit que l'offense se crée de beaux jeux mais defaillanteà l'approche de l'en but et tres peu réguliere.

je pense que l'on va avoir bcp de mal cette année, heureusement le calendrier nous est assez favorable dans l'ensemble.

je suis fan mais je trouve cette équipe sans trop de charme depuis qqs années.

une grosse offense qui peut marquer en tres peu de temps mais irréguliere et une defense qui se fait malmener sans esprit de groupe. ne parlons pas de la special team.

disons qu'en voyant des equipes comme les falcons, les eagles ou encore les chiefs on sent autre chose.

Je suis tout à fait d'accord, je pense que dans quelques années ils retrouveront un haut niveau, enfin j'espère...

Sans jeu de course Saint Louis est fini....

Leur debut de saison le prouve...Bulger a beau balourder tout ce qu'il peut (plus de 300 yds de moyenne par match) ca ne passe pas...Bruce a son vieil age qui le rattrape et Holt ne peut pas tout faire tout seul....Curtis et McDonald peuvent suppléer Isaac mais c'est quand même ultra just....
Sans compter que Bulger a une epaule en plastique suspecte donc Orlando et la Oline ont interet de faire des merveilles...

Prendre 44 points par les Giants avec Eli Semoun qui ne cherche que 4 cibles (Burress, Barber, Toomer et schockey)+ Barber a la course...Martz a à mon avis bcp de questions a se poser sur son coaching....Burress 204 yds, Manning 296 yds 4 Tds,c'etait inespéré voire impossible heureusement le backfield defensif de Rams l'a fait (pire que celui des Chargers, c'est pour dire...)....

le probleme c'est la defense tout simplement, la defense contre la passe est ridicule. niveau offense ca peut aller, les rams peuvent marquer toujours en tres peu de temps, beacoup de gachis et ballon prdus malheureusement. une bonne def contre la passe et moins de gachis et on aurait une sacré team.

Mais bon Martz commence à faire chier, pourquoi il ne fait pas plus courir Jackson?
Je ne comprends pas on a un 2 bons HB et aucun ne court donc s'il continue ce coching les Rams n'iront vraiment pas loin, et puis Bulger fait des yards mais lance toujours autant d'interceptions, à mon avis Bulger sans les WRs des Rams ne vaut vraiment rien.

Martz a toujours été un marginal question coaching. Faudrait pas s'étonner que la semaine prochaine, il annonce 40 courses. C'est un coutumier du fait, à balancer que des passes en 1ère mi-temps et que des courses en 2e.
Mais je suis d'accord avec vous: avec Martz, les Rams ont eu des résultats en dessous de leurs capacités.

Heureusement que la ligne offensive est effectivement monstrueuse (n'oublions pas qu'elle a toujours assuré une protection de passe suffisante pour pouvoir exécuter une pelletée de jeux longs)

Bon on ressort ce sujet, l'envie de poster ces derniers temps n'était pas très forte.
Rien ne va plus à St Louis, la défense est une véritable passoire, aucun joueur ne joue bien, je pense que le meilleur joueur des Rams en déf cette saison c'est Mike Furrey passé de WR à FS cette saison c'est pour dire l'escouade que l'on a. La DL ne sack pas et n'arrête pas les courses, les LBs ne font pas plus du bon boulot et les DBs c'est vraiment pas terrible (si cette semaine lors du premier jeu des Cards en attaque Archuleta et Groce ont réussi à se percuter, résultat commotion pour l'un et les cervicales touchées pour l'autre)
L'attaque continue à faire des yards mais les choix de jeux sont pas top, Steven Jackson ne court jamais (cette semaine il a fait un mauvais match en plus) donc on se retrouve avec seulement des jeux à la passe appelés.
La ligne fait un boulot pas trop mal mais Bulger lance des INT et se blesse constamment et on se retrouve avec Jammie Martin...

Il va vraiment falloir recruter comme des fous à la prochaine intersaison parceque je pense que la meilleure chose que les Rams ont à faire c'est de perdre les matches (ce qu'ils savent si bien faire) pour avoir des bons tours de draft (même si ça ne suffira pas à avoir un bel effectif). Surtout quand je vois cette division Rams, 49ers, Cards et Seahawks les Rams sont vraiment à leur place...

pourtant aux vus des derniers matchs je trouvais que le nouveau coach fasait plus appel a jackson et au jeux de course.

c'est vrai je pensais que les Rams aller plus courir, mais en fait dès que Bulger et revenu ils ont encore lancé beaucoup de ballons, comme il s'est encore blessé on va peut être revenir à un jeu au sol.

Ryan Fitzpatrick sera le QB starter des Rams après son gros match de la semaine dernière (310 yds, 3TD, 1INT, 63%)
J'espère que ça ne sera pas le match de sa vie qu'il a joué et qu'il va continuer les bonne perfs.
Les Rams ont fait un gros come back la semaine dernière leur moral devrait être bon, et puis les Skins sont batables selon moi, surtout si les arbitres sont avec nous n'est ce pas Sitting?

c'est vrai qu'on peut dire que cette saison les redskins n'ont pas les arbitres avec eux.
un truc que je me demande c'est si le grand archuleta va resigner cette offsaison?
j'adore ce joueur.
il frappe il couvre comme un free safety il remonte les troupes.
ce gars est le leader de la D des rams.
un sean taylor ou un archuleta pour moi ya pas photo c'est un archuleta.
Et puis c'est pas bandit celui là.

Torry Holt a écrit:

et puis les Skins sont batables selon moi, surtout si les arbitres sont avec nous n'est ce pas Sitting?

(les arbitres )

Surtout si Gibbs continue à gérer comme une bouse les fins de match... par contre malheureusement pour toi C.Rogers est enfin starter ce qui propulse Walt "Disney" Harris en nickel back OUF (ca aurait été un massacre... face à un Holt ou un Bruce); mais surtout on récupère enfin notre défense titulaire... et notre attaque risque d'exploser... regarde bien T.Jacobs ça va être son match.

Jsuis assez confiant pour ce match... 21 - 10 Redskins

tjrscowboys a écrit:

un sean taylor ou un archuleta pour moi ya pas photo c'est un archuleta.
Et puis c'est pas bandit celui là.

Oui niveau tackle Archuleta est un big hitter... seul soucis il n'a pas de main et est inexistant en couverture de passe... bref c'est le même joueur que R.Williams (un extra linebacker).

Sean Taylor est largement plus complet... y a pas de comparaison possible c'est un autre monde

C'est vrai Sean Taylor est meilleur qu'Archuleta mais ça va on ne s'en plein pas c'est une force de la nature il avait fait des combines de malade, par contre il est un peu seul en déf chez les Rams.

Sitting Bull a écrit:

Jsuis assez confiant pour ce match... 21 - 10 Redskins

J'étais si loin que ça... 24 - 9