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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Mer 14 Sep - 15:35

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On dit souvent que les sportifs acceptent d'un nouvel entraineur ce qu'ils refusaient de l'ancien

Oui t'as raison; prends l'exemple de TO; A SF il refusait de s'entraîner, et bien son changement d'équipe, de coach et de systême lui a été bénéfique.
Dorénavant il refuse de jouer en présaison (because il faut bien penser à assurer l'avenir de ses enfants via une petite revalorisation salariale) et il refuse de parler au QB.
Si on suit cette logique et avec un peu de chance quand il quittera Phila pour se nouvelle équipe et son nouveau coach peut-être qu'il refusera carrément de jouer les matchs ..... (non ce serait trop beau, on entendrait plus parler de lui et ça nous manquerait ... ou pas -@Double C-)
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Mer 14 Sep - 16:16

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Je suis d'accord avec la première partie de ton message.

Ya juste un truc qui colle pas dans une de tes phrases:

On dit souvent que les sportifs acceptent d'un nouvel entraineur ce qu'ils refusaient de l'ancien


La nuance est que depuis le départ de Dennis Green, les Vikes n'ont tjs pas trouvé un type qui pourrait le remplacer Mr. Green au poste de coach.

Donc c'est normal qu'il en ait tant fait puisqu'il n'y avait personne pour le recadrer.

Bon, alors on va dire que dans les sports co, c'est en changeant d'équipe. Pour être précis, le coup du joueur qui change d'attitude en même temps que d'entraineur, c'est Tarik Benhabilès qui l'avait sorti. Benhabilès, c'était l'entraineur d'Andy Roddick au moment où il débarquait. Ce jeune tennisman faisait sensation mais manquait encore de volume de jeu. Au bout d'un moment, ils se sont séparés, et Roddick a franchi un pallier en entrant dans les top 10. Benhabilès avait alors été interrogé, et il avait dit que tout ce que Roddick faisait actuellement, en terme d'entrainement et de stratégie, il refusait de le faire à l'époque.
Pour des joueurs de foot us, c'est peut-être davantage lié à l'équipe, parce que leur encadrement ne se limite pas au seul coach.

Et pour Terrel Owens, oui, il y a du changement. A San Francisco, il a fait son caprice pour partir, et à semé la zizanie pour aller jouer ici et non là-bas. A Philadelphie, il a voulu recommencer pour renégocier son contrat, mais n'a pas été au bout, et est revenu la queue entre les jambes, en s'excusant à mot-couvert (dans son prochain club, il dira "pardon", peut-être Smile ).
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Jeu 15 Sep - 8:03

Du coté de Kansas, ça tchatche bcp sur la manière de contenir Moss.

Ils sont convaincus que Patrick Surtain, qui est finalement certain de jouer ce week-end, est l'homme de la situation.

Sur ce qu'a montré la défense des Chiefs en Week One contre une attaque des Jets qui était censé les cartonner, la défense des Chiefs s'est peut-être trouvé une âme alors que ça a été le point faible de la période Vermeil.

Si c'est le cas, les deux affrontements de Moss contre cette défense ne seront peut etre pas un carnage statistique comme annoncé. A moins que la perf week1 de cette défense ne soit qu'un mirage.


Et pour compléter cette brillante analyse, je conculerais en disant...Dorsey dehors!
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 2:10

Moss a été volé d'un TD.
ça me coute de dire ça !

Il était face à Dexter McCleon dans l'endzone et l'arbitre a pris 3 secondes à lancer son flag pour décider d'une offensive interference après le catch de Moss.

La faute n'y est pas du tout...
Sur cette série, juste après Collins ne lance pas à Moss qui est tout seul dans l'endzone encore... Juste pour diversifier ses cibles (et passse ratée bien sur)...

La frustration pourrait enfler pour Moss (sans parler du problème de fumble récurrent de son QB)

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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 4:08

Juste pour te dire Ekrem que Moss est un enfoiré, à cause de lui "le gros Cul" a été intercepté 8 fois en 2 matchs...pour les TD on attendra Razz
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 9:54

ENTOMBED a écrit:
Moss a été volé d'un TD.
ça me coute de dire ça !

Il était face à Dexter McCleon dans l'endzone et l'arbitre a pris 3 secondes à lancer son flag pour décider d'une offensive interference après le catch de Moss.

La faute n'y est pas du tout...

Je confirme, je l'ai vu en direct moi aussi, il n'y a rien... excepté Randy Moss. Même les arbitres font une double couverture sur lui on dirait.

Tu parlais de frustration... Moss est-il frustré par la défaite? Je ne sais pas du tout comment il les prenait avec les Vikings d'ailleurs.
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 10:02

darren james a écrit:
"le gros Cul" a été intercepté 8 fois en 2 matchs

T'aurais pu faire mieux comme je de mots Darren !

exemple: Le Cul a fait a fait un gros caca hier Very Happy
ou le gros Cul s'est encore chié dessus

Bonne réponse de Monsieur Ekrem du Val d'Oise.
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 10:13

EkreMoss a écrit:
darren james a écrit:
"le gros Cul" a été intercepté 8 fois en 2 matchs

T'aurais pu faire mieux comme je de mots Darren !


Au fait, tu bosses pas à la CAF Ekrem?

c'était juste pour montrer un exemple
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 10:17

l'arbitrage a tout siplement couté la victoire aux raiders et pas seulement sur cette action là y'en a eu une autre importante.

en tous cas moss a été tres fort n'a rien gâché mais parcontre je suis etonné que collins ne lui ai pas envoyé plus svt le ballon. deja vu ce qu'il fait qd il est collé de pret ca aurait promis.
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 10:19

Busanslash a écrit:


Au fait, tu bosses pas à la CAF Ekrem?

c'était juste pour montrer un exemple

Alors là, je dis Bravo Slash, c'est L'Ekrem du jeu de Mot !
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 10:32

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Au fait, tu bosses pas à la CAF Ekrem?


:lol!: thumleft


on m'avait tout fait avec la crème mais jamais celle là. Bravo.
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 19 Sep - 13:58

Randy, mi-ange mi-démon.
Un grand classique.



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Moss can put on a show, but Raiders can't count on him
By JOE POSNANSKI
Kansas City Star

OAKLAND, Calif. - Two plays explain Randy Moss. The first happened in the third quarter Sunday, with the Chiefs beating the Raiders by a touchdown. Moss, Oakland's big-money wide receiver, raced by former Pro Bowl cornerback Patrick Surtain. He soared over former Pro Bowl safety Sammy Knight. He pulled the ball in, ran away from the defenders, 64 yards in 11 seconds. He scored the tying touchdown.

He was Superman.

The second play happened in the fourth quarter with the Chiefs up by a field goal. It was third and 7. Moss, Oakland's big-money wide receiver, ran precisely 6 yards, cut to the sideline, caught the ball and eased out of bounds without even making the slightest effort to pick up the first down.

He was Superdog.

Well, this is what you get when you build your team around Randy Moss. You can always tell a team's character by its star. There wasn't much that separated the Chiefs and Raiders on Sunday night in front of a classic Oakland sellout crowd that featured a few thousand empty seats. The Raiders more or less shut down the Kansas City running game.

The Chiefs just outclassed the Raiders, 23-17.

The Chiefs won because Trent Green hit some key passes, because the Kansas City defense tightened at the end zone and because Priest Holmes, the Chiefs' core player, got the first down that put the game away.

More, though, the Chiefs came into Oakland and won because the Raiders have absolutely no idea what to do with Randy Moss. They were so thrilled to get him. Moss jerseys sold in Oakland. People were dreaming Super Bowl. There are some, even with the Raiders 0-2, still dreaming Super Bowl.

Let me tell you: Randy Moss is the dancing frog from the cartoon. You're sure he'll make you millions. But when the lights are on, he clams up.

Oh, Moss will get his numbers: The guy's one of the great talents to ever play professional football. Sunday, Moss caught five balls for 127 yards and that special touchdown. Another touchdown was taken away by an offensive pass-interference call that was, let's just call it, questionable. He was, without a doubt, the focal point of the game.

But the Raiders were down six points with about 5 minutes left. They started at midfield. They ran nine plays to win the game - four of those from the shadow of the Kansas City end zone.

Here's what they did: They threw to Jerry Porter three times. They tried to get the ball into the hands of running back LaMont Jordan six times.

And they did not throw the ball to Randy Moss once.

Why? Well, there were different opinions on that.

Opinion 1: Good Chiefs defense: "We did a pretty good job covering him," Knight said.

Opinion 2: There were other open receivers. "I guess they didn't want to force the ball into him," Surtain said.

Opinion 3. The Raiders don't know what they're doing. "Yeah, I was surprised they didn't throw to him," Chiefs safety Greg Wesley said.

I have a fourth opinion. The Raiders coaches and quarterback Kerry Collins have no idea whether they can count on Randy Moss. They know he might do something amazing, something you've never seen before. And they know he might stop running in the middle of his pattern for no reason at all. And since they can't count on him, they didn't.

Look: Chiefs president/general manager/CEO/godfather of soul Carl Peterson was watching Moss a lot during the game. He noticed, as all of us noticed, that when the ball wasn't going his way, Moss would take two steps and stop.

After the game, several Chiefs players were laughing about how Moss constantly waves his hand while he's running his patterns_"I'm open !" he seems to be shouting_the way the annoying kid on the playground does.

It's one thing to be an individual. It's one thing to want the ball. It's one thing to even care more about your own personal stats than you do victory.

But what makes Moss so difficult is, when it came down to it, the Raiders did not know what to expect from Moss. It was fourth down at the Chiefs' 10, game on the line, and the Raiders called timeout. Collins went to the sideline. He came back out, Moss was lined up to the left, the ball was snapped. Everybody in the stadium was looking at Moss. Everybody except one guy. Collins never even gave Moss a passing glance. He looked right the whole way, tried to squeeze a pass in to Porter. The ball was knocked away, almost intercepted.

The Chiefs' offense came on the field. The Chiefs gave the ball to their longtime star, Priest Holmes. He gained 2. Then he gained 14. That was a first down. That was the ballgame.

That's a player you can count on.

"Randy Moss is a special player," Knight would say, and that's a good word. Special. He can do special things. But in the 0-2 Raiders' locker room, Moss wasn't talking. He had a Raiders bodyguard keeping people away. He's a special guy.
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Mar 20 Sep - 9:07

EkreMoss a écrit:
Randy, mi-ange mi-démon.
Un grand classique.



Citation :
Moss can put on a show, but Raiders can't count on him
By JOE POSNANSKI
Kansas City Star

OAKLAND, Calif. - Two plays explain Randy Moss. The first happened in the third quarter Sunday, with the Chiefs beating the Raiders by a touchdown. Moss, Oakland's big-money wide receiver, raced by former Pro Bowl cornerback Patrick Surtain. He soared over former Pro Bowl safety Sammy Knight. He pulled the ball in, ran away from the defenders, 64 yards in 11 seconds. He scored the tying touchdown.

He was Superman.

The second play happened in the fourth quarter with the Chiefs up by a field goal. It was third and 7. Moss, Oakland's big-money wide receiver, ran precisely 6 yards, cut to the sideline, caught the ball and eased out of bounds without even making the slightest effort to pick up the first down.

He was Superdog.

Well, this is what you get when you build your team around Randy Moss. You can always tell a team's character by its star. There wasn't much that separated the Chiefs and Raiders on Sunday night in front of a classic Oakland sellout crowd that featured a few thousand empty seats. The Raiders more or less shut down the Kansas City running game.

The Chiefs just outclassed the Raiders, 23-17.

The Chiefs won because Trent Green hit some key passes, because the Kansas City defense tightened at the end zone and because Priest Holmes, the Chiefs' core player, got the first down that put the game away.

More, though, the Chiefs came into Oakland and won because the Raiders have absolutely no idea what to do with Randy Moss. They were so thrilled to get him. Moss jerseys sold in Oakland. People were dreaming Super Bowl. There are some, even with the Raiders 0-2, still dreaming Super Bowl.

Let me tell you: Randy Moss is the dancing frog from the cartoon. You're sure he'll make you millions. But when the lights are on, he clams up.

Oh, Moss will get his numbers: The guy's one of the great talents to ever play professional football. Sunday, Moss caught five balls for 127 yards and that special touchdown. Another touchdown was taken away by an offensive pass-interference call that was, let's just call it, questionable. He was, without a doubt, the focal point of the game.

But the Raiders were down six points with about 5 minutes left. They started at midfield. They ran nine plays to win the game - four of those from the shadow of the Kansas City end zone.

Here's what they did: They threw to Jerry Porter three times. They tried to get the ball into the hands of running back LaMont Jordan six times.

And they did not throw the ball to Randy Moss once.

Why? Well, there were different opinions on that.

Opinion 1: Good Chiefs defense: "We did a pretty good job covering him," Knight said.

Opinion 2: There were other open receivers. "I guess they didn't want to force the ball into him," Surtain said.

Opinion 3. The Raiders don't know what they're doing. "Yeah, I was surprised they didn't throw to him," Chiefs safety Greg Wesley said.

I have a fourth opinion. The Raiders coaches and quarterback Kerry Collins have no idea whether they can count on Randy Moss. They know he might do something amazing, something you've never seen before. And they know he might stop running in the middle of his pattern for no reason at all. And since they can't count on him, they didn't.

Look: Chiefs president/general manager/CEO/godfather of soul Carl Peterson was watching Moss a lot during the game. He noticed, as all of us noticed, that when the ball wasn't going his way, Moss would take two steps and stop.

After the game, several Chiefs players were laughing about how Moss constantly waves his hand while he's running his patterns_"I'm open !" he seems to be shouting_the way the annoying kid on the playground does.

It's one thing to be an individual. It's one thing to want the ball. It's one thing to even care more about your own personal stats than you do victory.

But what makes Moss so difficult is, when it came down to it, the Raiders did not know what to expect from Moss. It was fourth down at the Chiefs' 10, game on the line, and the Raiders called timeout. Collins went to the sideline. He came back out, Moss was lined up to the left, the ball was snapped. Everybody in the stadium was looking at Moss. Everybody except one guy. Collins never even gave Moss a passing glance. He looked right the whole way, tried to squeeze a pass in to Porter. The ball was knocked away, almost intercepted.

The Chiefs' offense came on the field. The Chiefs gave the ball to their longtime star, Priest Holmes. He gained 2. Then he gained 14. That was a first down. That was the ballgame.

That's a player you can count on.

"Randy Moss is a special player," Knight would say, and that's a good word. Special. He can do special things. But in the 0-2 Raiders' locker room, Moss wasn't talking. He had a Raiders bodyguard keeping people away. He's a special guy.

Qu'une chose à dire en lisant cet article: pukel

Le mec qui a écrit ça est un PRO chiefs et un anti MOSS, bref rien d'objectif dans ses propos.Il ne fais que jeter de l'huile sur le feu pour continuer à faire des histoires sur randy. Il aurait pas une petite histoire croustillante sur Owens par hasard? Thumb down
Je n'ai jamais autant vus Moss avec un tel esprit d'équipe, meme si ce n'est pas encore un Teddy Bruschi Wink
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 26 Sep - 14:33

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Oakland must throw more balls to Moss

Philadelphia -- Five and a half minutes remained in Sunday's game when the Raiders called a third-down play designed perfectly for Randy Moss -- a high lob to the end zone, a moonball from the Eagles' 19-yard line tailored for a 6-foot-4 receiver with great leaping ability.

There was only one problem.

Moss was on the right side of the field, and Kerry Collins threw the ball to the left, aiming for wide receiver Doug Gabriel, but actually coming much closer to running back LaMont Jordan, who is listed generously as 5-feet-10. Jordan was unable to out-jump Brian Dawkins, the Eagles' 6-foot free safety, and Dawkins knocked the ball to the ground.

On the next play, Sebastian Janikowski, for the second time in the game, missed a field goal attempt, leaving the Raiders seven points behind.

Although Oakland was able to tie the score on a subsequent drive before losing, 23-20, to Philadelphia, the inability to use Moss' skills where they are the most critical -- in the red zone -- is a significant part of the reason the Raiders are 0-3 and already facing long odds to become a playoff contender.

Only 7 of Collins' 42 passes were thrown in the direction of Moss, and just one of them, a 4-yard completion late in the first half, came on a play that began in Philadelphia's half of the field. It was an oversight similar to last week, when the Raiders did not direct a single pass toward Moss on their last two possessions of a six-point loss to Kansas City.

Moss has scored two touchdowns for the Raiders, but they came on pass plays of 64 and 73 yards. Only 3 of his 15 receptions have come on plays that began in the opponent's half of the field.

That is one reason why, in their three defeats, the Raiders have scored touchdowns on only 4 of 9 chances inside the opponent's 20-yard line, an even worse record than last year, when they were tied for 20th in the league in that category.

This is all somewhat puzzling. The Raiders are not paying Moss $7.5 million this season to run clearing routes for tight end Courtney Anderson, but that's what Moss did, a lot, against the Eagles. He would run through a zone, take coverage with him, and then Collins wound dump the ball to Anderson, who had a career day with 5 catches for 100 yards.

On just about every play, Philadelphia put a cornerback close across the line from Moss -- usually Lito Sheppard -- with a safety behind him to help in coverage. But Moss has been double-covered for his entire career. Collins said after Sunday's game that he'd still throw to Moss sometimes even when he appeared covered, but said it was a "fine line" on when to do it.

"We mixed it up," Dawkins said. "When you're facing that kind of coverage, maybe (Moss) doesn't go out and run like he usually would run. In his mind, he's thinking, well, I can't get past. It takes a weapon away from that offense."

"We expect (double coverage) every game," Collins said. "People are going to do it, roll (coverage) to him and stuff. But we're creative enough where we can find ways to get him the ball down the field."

Apparently, not all that creative, however, because Collins acknowledged that, on the third down lob pass, he didn't even look in Moss' direction.

"I've got to make decisions," Collins said. "I've got to make quick decisions. I can't manufacture something."

"We want to get the ball to (Moss)," said Norv Turner, the Raiders' coach. "He gets a lot of coverage. We've got to find ways to get it to him."

Yes, they do. But they have been unable to do it when it matters, and as long as they continue not to try, they will continue to be unable to do it.

Whether it is a factor of the quarterback's decision-making, or Moss' route-running, or the coach's play-calling, or the design of the play, it is a fact that three games into the season, Jordan is the Raiders' leading receiver.

Turner, asked why there were extended periods in which Moss gets no passes thrown to him, admitted, "We ended up not taking advantage of a couple of situations."

Statistically, Collins' numbers look fine -- a passer rating (95.9) that is more than 20 points above his career average, and no interceptions -- but the Raiders, who in all the preseason speculation figured to play a lot of games that ended 42-35, have not scored more than 20 points in any game.

Aside from the first three games after Collins took over for Rich Gannon last season, this is the first time with him as their quarterback the Raiders have gone three games in a row without scoring more than 20.

They are not the team they were expected to be. They also are 9-26 since they won the AFC championship in 2002.
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Lun 26 Sep - 14:41

Au moins Moss gagnait des matchs dans le Minnesota Mr. Green

Ce trade c'est du n'importe quoi. 'Y a que des perdants, des défaites et des larmes dans cette histoire. Reviens Randy ! Sad afro
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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Sam 7 Jan - 10:57

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A year earlier, Moss had conducted an interview with his official media outlet, ESPN, and offered a pause when asked about Tice's talents as a coach. In the last game on the schedule, he hung out his coach again, walking off the field before the conclusion of a loss to Washington.

This fall, Moss paused for 15 seconds and offered no comment when asked for his opinion of Turner as a coach in another sitdown with ESPN. And last Saturday, in the season finale against the Giants, Moss sprinted to the locker room, changed into street clothes and left before Turner made his postgame remarks to the team.

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MessageSujet: Re: RANDY NATION   Sam 7 Jan - 18:11

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A year earlier, Moss had conducted an interview with his official media outlet, ESPN, and offered a pause when asked about Tice's talents as a coach. In the last game on the schedule, he hung out his coach again, walking off the field before the conclusion of a loss to Washington.

This fall, Moss paused for 15 seconds and offered no comment when asked for his opinion of Turner as a coach in another sitdown with ESPN. And last Saturday, in the season finale against the Giants, Moss sprinted to the locker room, changed into street clothes and left before Turner made his postgame remarks to the team.

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